GC08
07-08 08:28 PM
140K GCs were available on Oct 1 2005 and Oct 2006: categories were not current.
< 40K GCs were available on June 12 2007: all categories were current.
If there is a law to prevent acceptance of ALL AOS's on Oct 1 (when 140K GCs are available) then that law was violated on June 12 2007.
If there is no law to prevent acceptance of AOS's on June 12 (when < 40K GCs were available) then all categories should have been current on Oct 1 2005 and Oct 1 2006.
Sounds like either way, they were wrong. :cool:
< 40K GCs were available on June 12 2007: all categories were current.
If there is a law to prevent acceptance of ALL AOS's on Oct 1 (when 140K GCs are available) then that law was violated on June 12 2007.
If there is no law to prevent acceptance of AOS's on June 12 (when < 40K GCs were available) then all categories should have been current on Oct 1 2005 and Oct 1 2006.
Sounds like either way, they were wrong. :cool:
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02-09 03:00 PM
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belmontboy
09-24 01:08 PM
The priority date should be always based on the particular labor filling or the filing of I140 (which ever applicable)
I am not against anyone getting GC. If everyome gets GC today, I am all for it. But no solution is in sight. But that does not mean someone elase will try to push EB2 back.
Therefore just wanted to let EB2 guys realize what will happen to them if no action is taken.
This is very simillar to labor substitution...
Thanks for your "sincere" concern.
There is no abuse in porting, don't worry about it.
Porting happens as prescribed by law, unlike Labor substitutions which was being sold for $$$. These days its not easy to get filed in EB2 - as the labor market is very bad. If someone gets through, then they really deserve it .
Don't get paranoid about porting. Porting is there for a reason and will stay. Doesnot matter whether you like it or not!
I am not against anyone getting GC. If everyome gets GC today, I am all for it. But no solution is in sight. But that does not mean someone elase will try to push EB2 back.
Therefore just wanted to let EB2 guys realize what will happen to them if no action is taken.
This is very simillar to labor substitution...
Thanks for your "sincere" concern.
There is no abuse in porting, don't worry about it.
Porting happens as prescribed by law, unlike Labor substitutions which was being sold for $$$. These days its not easy to get filed in EB2 - as the labor market is very bad. If someone gets through, then they really deserve it .
Don't get paranoid about porting. Porting is there for a reason and will stay. Doesnot matter whether you like it or not!
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gccovet
02-09 01:37 PM
Done with paypal.
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Will do another in 15 days.
Thank you Sanjay.
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Will do another in 15 days.
Thank you Sanjay.
Grand Total = $ 178.00
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willwin
07-28 11:31 AM
I disagree.
Why is it not easy to change from EB3 to EB2?
We have to decide what is important in life for us. Current job/salary/promotion/ status quo or Geeencard?
If someone wants EB2, they can change their job and apply again. The law does not prohibit that. So stop blaming unfair laws.
So the only reason why a lot of us are in EB3 is becasue we have chosen to stay with the current employer who pays us well and do not want to take the risk of a new employer. So it is our choice and not injustice. The system allows us options. We cannot want a cake and eat it too. I am also trying to find a new employer to change my job and file in EB2. Everyone is free to do that.
And stop claiming that you are fit for EB2 but are stuck in EB3. If you are fit for EB2 then why don't you apply in EB2? If you have a masters degree you can find a new job with EB2 that needs a masters degree. Anyone who does not have masters degree then get work experience and change your job to file in EB2. Ultimately we have to decide what we want.
yes, technically that is possible. But practically it may not be possible for the same reasons you said.
And to me they are valid. So you are asking some one in EB3 2002 to quit his current job and apply for EB2 because the system is inefficient and cannot grant him GC in 7 years and if tomorrow he does not get under EB2 as well, you will advocate him to file under EB1??
You are asking to adjust my body size to fit a dress instead of altering the dress itself. Just because the system provides 100 loopholes/opportunities/possibilities, does not mean one has to explore everything to get justice from the system. As I said, not EVERYONE can do that. Nevertheless, it is easy to give advise.
Why is it not easy to change from EB3 to EB2?
We have to decide what is important in life for us. Current job/salary/promotion/ status quo or Geeencard?
If someone wants EB2, they can change their job and apply again. The law does not prohibit that. So stop blaming unfair laws.
So the only reason why a lot of us are in EB3 is becasue we have chosen to stay with the current employer who pays us well and do not want to take the risk of a new employer. So it is our choice and not injustice. The system allows us options. We cannot want a cake and eat it too. I am also trying to find a new employer to change my job and file in EB2. Everyone is free to do that.
And stop claiming that you are fit for EB2 but are stuck in EB3. If you are fit for EB2 then why don't you apply in EB2? If you have a masters degree you can find a new job with EB2 that needs a masters degree. Anyone who does not have masters degree then get work experience and change your job to file in EB2. Ultimately we have to decide what we want.
yes, technically that is possible. But practically it may not be possible for the same reasons you said.
And to me they are valid. So you are asking some one in EB3 2002 to quit his current job and apply for EB2 because the system is inefficient and cannot grant him GC in 7 years and if tomorrow he does not get under EB2 as well, you will advocate him to file under EB1??
You are asking to adjust my body size to fit a dress instead of altering the dress itself. Just because the system provides 100 loopholes/opportunities/possibilities, does not mean one has to explore everything to get justice from the system. As I said, not EVERYONE can do that. Nevertheless, it is easy to give advise.
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puvathoor
04-22 02:28 PM
If I were in a similar situation, I would be leaning towards taking some action so that they know that they cannot step over the rights.. If they employ a person, pay him as per the law. If they decide to file for GC, then the employer needs to pay for it, per the law.
The problem with walking down the slippery slope of being amicable is that the boldness to stand up for the right thing also starts slipping away.
I like the idea of writing a letter and reminding them of the law. Even if you might not gain (forget the $4Gs for a sec), you will be making the path better for everyone behind you. And that, my friend, is an excellent thing.
The problem with walking down the slippery slope of being amicable is that the boldness to stand up for the right thing also starts slipping away.
I like the idea of writing a letter and reminding them of the law. Even if you might not gain (forget the $4Gs for a sec), you will be making the path better for everyone behind you. And that, my friend, is an excellent thing.
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02-25 02:27 PM
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bobby
07-09 11:56 AM
So it's the day before the flowers will be delivered and let's make the most out of this story. Here are the links to the press release to use
PDF version (http://www.touchdownusa.org/pdf/USCISFlowerCampaign.pdf) that can be sent as an attachment.
HTML version (http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ap9x7pmvk6s_32c3khvg) that can be copy-pasted as text of the email.Most news organizations have dedicated reporters to cover immigration issues; so our first contact should be with them, since they'd be most interested in this story. Contact the writers of any immigration related stories that you've read recently - contact either by phone, or by email. If you are contacting by email here are a few helpful tips
Make sure that title/information of that person's most recent article is used in the subject line. Something like, 'Follow up to Green Card Woes in WSJ'
Refer to the article in the body of your email. For example
You recently wrote about the frustrations of green card applicants due to a reversal by the USCIS (Wall Street Journal - July 5, 2007 - 'Reversal Frustrates Green Card Applicants'). I am one of those skilled, legal applicants and we are planning to protest against this decision the USCIS in a unique and peaceful manner - by sending hundreds, if not thousands of flower bouquets to the director of USCIS, Mr. Gonzalez on July 10th.
After this, you can say that please refer to the attached press release for more information
Wrap up your email with something like, "This is probably the first time when skilled, legal professionals are participating in an event like this at this scale and it goes to show the level of anxiety in the community right now. Would you be willing to write about this event as a follow-up to your previous article?"
There is no harm in giving your contact number to let the reporter know that you can be contacted for any follow-up questions.
Other things that we can do to create a buzz around it is to talk about it in blogs, various forums etc., specially if you are a blogger. Already, if you search USCIS+Flowers in Technorati, there are a good number of hits - we should try and increase them.
Call up your local public radio station and tell them about this event (http://www.npr.org/stations/)
Any other ideas regarding increasing the visibility of this campaign should be posted on this thread.
Posted on Bender's Immigration Bulletin http://www.bibdaily.com/
PDF version (http://www.touchdownusa.org/pdf/USCISFlowerCampaign.pdf) that can be sent as an attachment.
HTML version (http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ap9x7pmvk6s_32c3khvg) that can be copy-pasted as text of the email.Most news organizations have dedicated reporters to cover immigration issues; so our first contact should be with them, since they'd be most interested in this story. Contact the writers of any immigration related stories that you've read recently - contact either by phone, or by email. If you are contacting by email here are a few helpful tips
Make sure that title/information of that person's most recent article is used in the subject line. Something like, 'Follow up to Green Card Woes in WSJ'
Refer to the article in the body of your email. For example
You recently wrote about the frustrations of green card applicants due to a reversal by the USCIS (Wall Street Journal - July 5, 2007 - 'Reversal Frustrates Green Card Applicants'). I am one of those skilled, legal applicants and we are planning to protest against this decision the USCIS in a unique and peaceful manner - by sending hundreds, if not thousands of flower bouquets to the director of USCIS, Mr. Gonzalez on July 10th.
After this, you can say that please refer to the attached press release for more information
Wrap up your email with something like, "This is probably the first time when skilled, legal professionals are participating in an event like this at this scale and it goes to show the level of anxiety in the community right now. Would you be willing to write about this event as a follow-up to your previous article?"
There is no harm in giving your contact number to let the reporter know that you can be contacted for any follow-up questions.
Other things that we can do to create a buzz around it is to talk about it in blogs, various forums etc., specially if you are a blogger. Already, if you search USCIS+Flowers in Technorati, there are a good number of hits - we should try and increase them.
Call up your local public radio station and tell them about this event (http://www.npr.org/stations/)
Any other ideas regarding increasing the visibility of this campaign should be posted on this thread.
Posted on Bender's Immigration Bulletin http://www.bibdaily.com/
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10-04 10:05 AM
Hi,
I 485 reached Nebraska on 3rd July, received by F.Heinauer 11.14 AM. I140 approved by Nebraska. Checks encashed today by Nebraska. I think, atlast, they started digging the 2nd and 3rd july filers applications. Hang on guys we should be getting the reciepts soon.
I 485 reached Nebraska on 3rd July, received by F.Heinauer 11.14 AM. I140 approved by Nebraska. Checks encashed today by Nebraska. I think, atlast, they started digging the 2nd and 3rd july filers applications. Hang on guys we should be getting the reciepts soon.
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tonyHK12
02-17 11:24 AM
What is the difference between the two? IMO, two words "Effective Marketing". Come on, where are the MBA's among us who can offer strategy? Actually I feel we are so backward that we don't even need MBA's to improve from here, just any simple ideas
I respectfully disagree. It has nothing to do with marketing, fraud desi companies put up free ads on sulekha, its the mindset of a large number of our audience we are missing and need to account for. maybe it has to do with jugaad/kludge - the goal defines the means (loosely).
Of course many of these expectations cannot be satisfied in a honest non profit.
I respectfully disagree. It has nothing to do with marketing, fraud desi companies put up free ads on sulekha, its the mindset of a large number of our audience we are missing and need to account for. maybe it has to do with jugaad/kludge - the goal defines the means (loosely).
Of course many of these expectations cannot be satisfied in a honest non profit.
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Raju
07-20 10:43 AM
I pledge $100.
Can we set a target of $100,000. Lets not forget other IV core too. Even they might have spent money. We should set up an administrative account.
Also can we send emails to everyone like the action alert, so that more people can join?
Good points...
Can we set a target of $100,000. Lets not forget other IV core too. Even they might have spent money. We should set up an administrative account.
Also can we send emails to everyone like the action alert, so that more people can join?
Good points...
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iviviv
10-24 07:31 PM
What is IV's game plan after the elections? Are we being proactive by contacting key Democrats and making them aware of our issues?
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voldemar
05-23 11:27 AM
Use web based contact forms provided on each senator's website.
You can find senator's contact info from this page.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
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You can find senator's contact info from this page.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
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ndbhatt
11-17 04:04 PM
Done. Also, sent message to my 10 friends. Hope for a viral effect.
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morchu
05-08 01:51 PM
Is it still not clear for you? eb-dependents are NOT eligible for F2A.
We have to follow the regulation when law is not clear and the regulation (CFR22) mentioned specifically that eb-dependents are eligble for EB-category. Regulations and interpretations are there for a reason, and it has to be followed when law is not clear.
I agree that INA doesnt specifically says that, but at the same time INA specifically rules out eb-dependents from F2A also. To be eligible for F2A you should be dependent of a permanent resident "at the time of application".
You should probably stream line your effort to not count eb-dependents in any visa-numbers (since neither the regulation or law is clear on that part).
You are still under a mis-concept that every word and sentence has to be quoted in "INA", and can ignore all official regulations and interpretations.
Guys,
VISA BULLETIN FOR JUNE 2009 sets back EB2 priority back to 01JAN00.
Some thing needs to be done. The easist will be not counting ebdependents in ebquota. This should be very easy. There is no INA law linking ebquota with ebdependents.
I need IV Core help for this.
We have to follow the regulation when law is not clear and the regulation (CFR22) mentioned specifically that eb-dependents are eligble for EB-category. Regulations and interpretations are there for a reason, and it has to be followed when law is not clear.
I agree that INA doesnt specifically says that, but at the same time INA specifically rules out eb-dependents from F2A also. To be eligible for F2A you should be dependent of a permanent resident "at the time of application".
You should probably stream line your effort to not count eb-dependents in any visa-numbers (since neither the regulation or law is clear on that part).
You are still under a mis-concept that every word and sentence has to be quoted in "INA", and can ignore all official regulations and interpretations.
Guys,
VISA BULLETIN FOR JUNE 2009 sets back EB2 priority back to 01JAN00.
Some thing needs to be done. The easist will be not counting ebdependents in ebquota. This should be very easy. There is no INA law linking ebquota with ebdependents.
I need IV Core help for this.
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vinamit
09-16 01:49 PM
My 485,AP,EAD checks were cashed on 9/11/07
Application filed on August 2nd
Nebraska
Application filed on August 2nd
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sweet_jungle
11-06 02:25 PM
Folks who opened an SR and had NSC-CSC-NSC transfers, what is the format of the ref # the Cust Service Rep gave you??
I got a # of the format T1NXXXXXXXXXXXCSC format.
I also got this format. but response, came from NSC after 30 days of filing SR.
I had called in the middle to confirm whether SR went to CSC. Rep said requests will get to apprpriate service center.
the other problem is for people like us, the status says " case traansferred and pending at uscis office". I find that reps find it hard to figure out where it is pending. because of wac number, they sometimes conclude it is CSC.
the status on phone says "pending at lincoln".
I got a # of the format T1NXXXXXXXXXXXCSC format.
I also got this format. but response, came from NSC after 30 days of filing SR.
I had called in the middle to confirm whether SR went to CSC. Rep said requests will get to apprpriate service center.
the other problem is for people like us, the status says " case traansferred and pending at uscis office". I find that reps find it hard to figure out where it is pending. because of wac number, they sometimes conclude it is CSC.
the status on phone says "pending at lincoln".
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akhilmahajan
02-10 04:43 PM
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eb3_nepa
05-03 05:14 PM
I wonder how many who come here on H4 know what complexities lay ahead in the G.C processing. unfortunately it is not easy to undo their marriage and go back.
They need a fair deal too just like the way those in EB-3 are waiting for a proposal that addresses their issues more directly rather than trickle down. I guess u r one of them.
I dont know how much u know about G.C before u came here. I am yet to understand it clearly.
--MC
I agree with MChundi here. I have been in this process since 2002 and have worked closely with my lawyers but it never ceases to amaze me how much complexity is built into the GC system. Putting the ads, applying for labor, aplying for I-140 answering any throwbacks from DOL/UCSIS. TO add to that the goof ups by the immigration lawyers and their para-legals certainly confuses the hell out of u.
Most ppl who apply for GCs are unaware about retrogression and PBEC problems at the onset. Even if they are aware u think, "well, my labour will take abt a year or so so by then hopefully things will become current". I mean not a lot of us, have the time or the foresight to plan THAT much in advance.
Now if we as H1s dont know the deal here, H4's CERTAINLY dont know the deal and it takes them a LOT more time to grasp the reality of things coz they have to absorb many other things like learning how to drive here, learning how the credit system works here etc etc etc.
All that being said, i would ask the H4's to try and avoid pointing blame at the IV members. This is not an easy process for sure. We are in NO position to demand anything from the US Govt. Whatever progress we have made is also quite phenomenal. I Still cant believe we collected even $100,000+ !! Right now the best strategy is to solve the primary applicant's problems and try and get the dependents problems go away along with that.
They need a fair deal too just like the way those in EB-3 are waiting for a proposal that addresses their issues more directly rather than trickle down. I guess u r one of them.
I dont know how much u know about G.C before u came here. I am yet to understand it clearly.
--MC
I agree with MChundi here. I have been in this process since 2002 and have worked closely with my lawyers but it never ceases to amaze me how much complexity is built into the GC system. Putting the ads, applying for labor, aplying for I-140 answering any throwbacks from DOL/UCSIS. TO add to that the goof ups by the immigration lawyers and their para-legals certainly confuses the hell out of u.
Most ppl who apply for GCs are unaware about retrogression and PBEC problems at the onset. Even if they are aware u think, "well, my labour will take abt a year or so so by then hopefully things will become current". I mean not a lot of us, have the time or the foresight to plan THAT much in advance.
Now if we as H1s dont know the deal here, H4's CERTAINLY dont know the deal and it takes them a LOT more time to grasp the reality of things coz they have to absorb many other things like learning how to drive here, learning how the credit system works here etc etc etc.
All that being said, i would ask the H4's to try and avoid pointing blame at the IV members. This is not an easy process for sure. We are in NO position to demand anything from the US Govt. Whatever progress we have made is also quite phenomenal. I Still cant believe we collected even $100,000+ !! Right now the best strategy is to solve the primary applicant's problems and try and get the dependents problems go away along with that.
cool_guy_onnet1
05-03 03:30 PM
source immigration-law.com
05/02/2006: Senator John Cornyn Introduced S.2691 for "Legal" Employment-Based Immigration Legislation
* Today, John Cornyn, Senator from Texas, introduced in the Senate S. 2691, Securing Knowledge Innovation and Leadership (SKIL) bill, which is similar to the legal employment-based immigration bills incorporated in the comprehensive immigration reform bills of Senator Bill Frist and Senator Alen Specter. These legal employment-based immigration bills are similar to the Education bill named PACE Act which is still pending in the Senate.
* Senator Cornyn strongly opposes the legalization of undocumented immigrants as opposed to the Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and most of the Senators in the Senate Judiciary Committee. The compromised comprehensive immigration reform proposal faced strong challenge from Senator Cornyn before the bill collapsed in the Senate during the Easter break. Cornyn-Kyl bill and McCain-Kennedy has engaged in a fierce duel in the Senate Judiciary Committee and in the full Senate. The collision was marked by the legalization of illegal immigrants that are incorporated in the McCain-Kennedy bill.
* By introduction of S. 2691, Senator Cornyn practically joins the original Bill Frist bill that strongly supported legal immigration and strongly opposed legalization of illegal aliens by focusing on the border security and the immigration enforcement. Question remains whether the legal immigration bill can pass the Congress as separate from the Comprehensive Immigration Reform legislation. We are concerned that this bill may bring a further division between the legal immigrant community and the illegal immigrant community with the potential damaging consequences to both legal and illegal communities. We have maintained a tradition of strongly supporting legal employment-based immigration. We just hope that the legal and illegal reform legislation does not end up with the fate of S. 1932 as driven by the political forces using the traditional battle tactic of 'divide and conquer.' From the perspectives of the legal employment-based immigrant community, all of the pending bills support their interest and they will be least affected by whichever bill the Congress finally would pass. This is a time to unite and not a time to divide.
I am a big fan of oh-law and I see what he is trying to explain - but common-sense suggets that all the law firms are scared that instead of 12 million pottential customers they will only see 0.5 (legal) and 4-5 million (>5 year illegal resident if comprehensive bill passes).
Would you like your customer base to go down by 50 or 96%? I guess No- so don't pay too much attention to who cries faul- It's all fair as long as we The hard working tax-paying technology workers get piece of american dream.
At this point it's all about flexing the muscles-
No politics, it's just plain vanila human greed!
05/02/2006: Senator John Cornyn Introduced S.2691 for "Legal" Employment-Based Immigration Legislation
* Today, John Cornyn, Senator from Texas, introduced in the Senate S. 2691, Securing Knowledge Innovation and Leadership (SKIL) bill, which is similar to the legal employment-based immigration bills incorporated in the comprehensive immigration reform bills of Senator Bill Frist and Senator Alen Specter. These legal employment-based immigration bills are similar to the Education bill named PACE Act which is still pending in the Senate.
* Senator Cornyn strongly opposes the legalization of undocumented immigrants as opposed to the Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and most of the Senators in the Senate Judiciary Committee. The compromised comprehensive immigration reform proposal faced strong challenge from Senator Cornyn before the bill collapsed in the Senate during the Easter break. Cornyn-Kyl bill and McCain-Kennedy has engaged in a fierce duel in the Senate Judiciary Committee and in the full Senate. The collision was marked by the legalization of illegal immigrants that are incorporated in the McCain-Kennedy bill.
* By introduction of S. 2691, Senator Cornyn practically joins the original Bill Frist bill that strongly supported legal immigration and strongly opposed legalization of illegal aliens by focusing on the border security and the immigration enforcement. Question remains whether the legal immigration bill can pass the Congress as separate from the Comprehensive Immigration Reform legislation. We are concerned that this bill may bring a further division between the legal immigrant community and the illegal immigrant community with the potential damaging consequences to both legal and illegal communities. We have maintained a tradition of strongly supporting legal employment-based immigration. We just hope that the legal and illegal reform legislation does not end up with the fate of S. 1932 as driven by the political forces using the traditional battle tactic of 'divide and conquer.' From the perspectives of the legal employment-based immigrant community, all of the pending bills support their interest and they will be least affected by whichever bill the Congress finally would pass. This is a time to unite and not a time to divide.
I am a big fan of oh-law and I see what he is trying to explain - but common-sense suggets that all the law firms are scared that instead of 12 million pottential customers they will only see 0.5 (legal) and 4-5 million (>5 year illegal resident if comprehensive bill passes).
Would you like your customer base to go down by 50 or 96%? I guess No- so don't pay too much attention to who cries faul- It's all fair as long as we The hard working tax-paying technology workers get piece of american dream.
At this point it's all about flexing the muscles-
No politics, it's just plain vanila human greed!
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